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<p>hi, some thoughts in between below 😁</p>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 14.11.22 04:25, Anne Roth wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:ad58e5f7-750e-1fcc-7387-48c98ead786b@riseup.net">Hi,
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great to see this moving forward.
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Am 11.11.22 um 19:12 schrieb Gaba:
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<blockquote type="cite">On 11/11/22 12:20, Helen Varley Jamieson
wrote:
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<blockquote type="cite">i think anna meant to share / discuss
between ourselves what we want to see happening with
systerserver.town, rather than to put that into the general
guidelines. is that right, anne?
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Yes, that was the idea but of course we can eventually merge the
two (working on the text on the one hand and having a conversation
more generally about what we want systerserver.twon to be like).
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Like, how do we move on now? Threre is the new pad with quite a
few comments and suggestions for change and the old pad with a lot
of good ideas and suggestions. Does it make sense to try and merge
or would it be better to stick with one and try to some up with a
draft?
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i think it makes sense to merge, but we should keep separate
discussion around the admin/upgrades from the policy/guidelines<br>
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cite="mid:ad58e5f7-750e-1fcc-7387-48c98ead786b@riseup.net">
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I'm fine with both, my thoughts about the new pad were to 'go the
easy way' and have something to put up so that we actually have
something, but I can also see it would be nice to have something
that describes our ideas better. Is anyone up for writing that?
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i will have only occasional internet access for the next 10 days so
probably can't do much. but i think it would be good to aim for a
simple description of systerserver.town that can go on
systerserver.net <br>
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cite="mid:ad58e5f7-750e-1fcc-7387-48c98ead786b@riseup.net">
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How do you feel about a meeting?
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difficut for me until i get proper internet ...<br>
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I understood this too and I think it is important for us to
discuss what we want from that space. I like the approach that
Darius Kazemi have on running their instance [1]. </blockquote>
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I had a look at their website and could you be a bit more specific
what it is that appeals to you there?
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One thing I see there is
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://runyourown.social/#how-to-run-a-small-social-network-site-for-your-friends">https://runyourown.social/#how-to-run-a-small-social-network-site-for-your-friends</a>
and I instantly have sympathy for the idea and the feel of that.
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He runs a fork of mastodon called hometown
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<blockquote type="cite">[2] that we could look into as it is for
smaller instances . In hometown there is the option of local
only posting, meaning only the people in your instance can
discuss on those.
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Are you saying you would like to see systerserver.town to be more
of a closed small(er) community?
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On the one hand I like the idea but it opens up a number of
questions: We've been that for a while and my feeling is that it
doesn't really 'come off the ground', that it would need to be a
little bigger to actually incite conversations between us.
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Maybe that'll change now that Mastodon has become so much more
attractive recently? But e.g. my impression during THF in summer
was that there was some interest but didn't really lead to much
interaction there. Which is fine, just an observation.
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I'm still a bit torn between wanting a more lively but still
smaller community on the one hand and at the same time feeling the
need for more visibly feminist spaces in the bigger Mastodon /
Fediverse world. Right now I see people searching for a 'feminist
home' but not finding them. E.g. here
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://fedi.directory/society/">https://fedi.directory/society/</a> feminism isn't even mentioned as a
category. (I'm sure there's better directories, didn't really
search and just came across this by chance)
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<p>if i understand it right, individual accounts on
systerserver.town can follow individual accounts on any other
instance, and vice versa. in recent days i've started following a
lot of people on other servers (mostly who are on the netbehaviour
mailing list) & they are following me back. so i have the
local timeline which is everyone on systerserver.town, where we
can have our close discussions, and i have the federated timeline
that is everyone i'm following (& maybe some others as well,
i'm not sure ... ). so don't we kind of have both - the small
community and the wider discussion?</p>
<p>i do agree that it would be good to make feminist spaces more
visible in general in the fediverse, so it's good to make a
somewhat bigger presence for systerserver.town, but at the same
time i think it's fine to keep it relatively small, invitation
only for new accounts, since there are plenty of instances now
where people can create accounts. <br>
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<p>if we have a description page on systerserver.net & also list
in some mastodon directories, we can be a bit more visible; &
if interested feminists approach us we can invite them if we want
to, but we don't need to go on a recruitment drive.<br>
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Looking at the pad [3] that Mara shared I like many of the notes
there. I would like this instance to be a safe space for Queer,
feminists, feminist collectives and activists. I would like for
us to have a feminist approach on how we build the space and
build it from our trusted networks.
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Very much. We probably should take some more time to talk / write
about what this means, no?
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<p>agree 😁</p>
<p>h : )<br>
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Cheers,
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Anne
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0. <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://tinysubversions.com/">https://tinysubversions.com/</a>
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1. <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://friend.camp/about/more">https://friend.camp/about/more</a>
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2. <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://github.com/hometown-fork/hometown/wiki">https://github.com/hometown-fork/hometown/wiki</a>
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3. <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://pad.vvvvvvaria.org/systerserver.town-fhm">https://pad.vvvvvvaria.org/systerserver.town-fhm</a>
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the article anne sent is worth reading (reminds me also of my
own experience during 2020 when suddenly thousands of other
people became overnight experts in online performance 😂)
& i think it is good to go with caution, be realistic
about what we can do with the resources we have, & who we
are doing it for (ourselves, first!).
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we could get mired down in endless conversations, for example
what is "negative political content" indeed!!! the mmore
concise our guidelines are, the better. and keeping the
instance invitation only is good.
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h : )
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On 10.11.22 23:42, mara wrote:
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<blockquote type="cite">Hi,
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Here the pad we worked for our systerserver.town instance
during a workshop with Lurk last spring.
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<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://pad.vvvvvvaria.org/systerserver.town-fhm">https://pad.vvvvvvaria.org/systerserver.town-fhm</a>
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The questions in the pad help formulating what, for whom and
by whom the instance is running.
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I don't quite follow all thread here, due to many deadlines
I have till mid Nov and some family issues.
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Nonetheless wrt:
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> And while we're editing our about page I think we
should maybe share
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> what we would like to see happening on
systerserver.town.
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I wouldn't go into this direction, feels too restrictive and
not really manageable from a modetator's perspective. In
general guidelines articulate what a community doesn't
tolerate in this instance, e.x sexist, nazis, trolling etc..
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ciao, M
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On 11/10/22 12:22, Anne Roth wrote:
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<blockquote type="cite">Hi,
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apart from the pad I feel it might be helpful to have a
discussion about the character of the Mastodon instance.
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Not sure this is something everyone wants to discuss - let
me know whether that should be moved elsewhere.
<br>
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Right now it feels like half of Twitter is moving over to
Mastodon / the Fediverse and that results in a trillion of
debates about what is different, what's similar, what is
wanted and what isn't.
<br>
<br>
There were so many debates about Content Warnings that
people start to demand CW for those debates.
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(I'm currently entangled in a debate whether there should
be such warnings, or notices, for all political content,
or else for 'negative politics' and that entails it's own
debate: What is negative political content?)
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I admit that I hadn't realized how different the concept
of the local timeline is, and just came across this text
whic I found helpful
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.hughrundle.net/home-invasion/">https://www.hughrundle.net/home-invasion/</a>
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I don't share all of the views but it's definitely a good
introduction to the current dynamics, I find.
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And while we're editing our about page I think we should
maybe share what we would like to see happening on
systerserver.town.
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More something of a safe space with a local timeline that
resembles a community space with some reservation about
the rest of the world out there, or rather like a place
for our activism, ok to have controversial debates,
mobilising and informing about what we fight against?
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Can we have both and how? I tend to lean towards the
latter, I don't believe in defining politics apart from
something else, everything is politics to me and I like
controversies and discussion. I also have the need for
safe spaces some times and room to withdraw from the world
- it's not easy to draw the line but I'm thinking it's a
good conversation to have before we open up the instance a
little bit. I haven't moved my 'big account' to
systerserver.town (yet) because it'll bring a lot of
people debating stuff and my feeling is I'd like to
understand better what type of atmosphere we'd like to see
there.
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Thoughts? Or should we actually try and find the time for
a call about this?
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Cheers,
<br>
Anne
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