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<p>His systerserver,</p>
<p>Little update about the poll - please it would be nice to have
more opinions if people like us to have an <a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="https://opencollective.com/europe">Opencollective
account</a><u> </u>to manage financial flows<u>. ( cfr infra)<br>
</u>Helen filled it in and Gaba, ezn and ooooo are all three up
for administrating Opencollective.</p>
<div class="moz-forward-container">Here was the poll to understand
who also supports the idea: [fill in before 31/01/2023 >>
extended to 28/02/2023]<br>
]<a
href="https://transitional.anarchaserver.org/date/studs.php?poll=DNCtObLFLgOISLjF"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://transitional.anarchaserver.org/date/studs.php?poll=DNCtObLFLgOISLjF</a><br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">For start capiltal - We canl stick to
the scenario :: <br>
cm of ooooo has 550 euro on our personal account which should
be allocated to systerserver's sysadmin/infrastructure</div>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">The easiest would be that we buy 2
harddrives for 'jean' machine (max 300), contribute to digital
ocean in the meanwhile (Systertown) and transfer the rest of
the money to the Opencollective account for other costs - In
Europe - we are having.</div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix"><u>Finances</u><br>
@gaba - can you make an estimate for the systertown / digital
ocean - with past months contribution = price/month for next
months<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix"><u>Timeline :</u><br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">- we will decide bout the harddisk -
mur.at is going to suppport us for remote installation +
configuration.<br>
they suggest we buy them at <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://lemon.at" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://lemon.at</a><br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://mylemon.at/kategorie/computer-hardware/festplatten/interne-festplatten.html?filter=36|356"><u>https://mylemon.at/kategorie/computer-hardware/festplatten/interne-festplatten.html?filter=36|356</u></a>
- 11:00 meeting 16/02 CEST mur.at<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">xm</div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 06/12/2022 02:01, Gaba wrote:<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">In the last meeting we discuss open
collective and I committed to read about the difference on
fiscal hosts and to send information to the list.</div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">There is information in this page
about the difference of hosts: <a
class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="https://docs.opencollective.com/help/fiscal-hosts/fiscal-hosts"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://docs.opencollective.com/help/fiscal-hosts/fiscal-hosts</a></div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">There is not a specific difference
between US and European fiscal host. The difference is by
fiscal host in general.</div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">For the open collective fiscal host
in Europe (<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="https://opencollective.com/europe"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://opencollective.com/europe</a>
and <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="https://docs.opencollective.com/oceurope/"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://docs.opencollective.com/oceurope/</a>)
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">- fee is around 6%</div>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">- "We are only able to host
EU-based projects and fund EU-based activity, not overseas
expenses." <-- this may mean they can not pay digital ocean
for example. <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">- "Your project's mission must fit
with the Association's mission overall." <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Their requirements are</div>
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r-16dba41 r-135wba7 r-fdjqy7 r-1xnzce8">Activities must align
with our mission & impact areas <span
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it may fit in "Develop tools to improve civic
participation within cities or communities: Sponsor
sponsors projects aimed at fostering civic participation,
democratic debate and rebuilding community ties and
strengths."<br>
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must have no separate legal existence/entity from OC
Europe</span></span><span
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="https://docs.opencollective.com/oceurope/getting-started/eligibility"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://docs.opencollective.com/oceurope/getting-started/eligibility</a></div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 12/3/22 15:23, Gaba wrote:<br>
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<blockquote type="cite"
cite="mid:d79b56f5-e03d-90ae-f5d7-eadaa3599595@riseup.net">On
12/3/22 04:40, bolwerK wrote: <br>
<blockquote type="cite">hi great <br>
to have an overview <br>
let's do it : <br>
<br>
- we would opt for /2/ FISCAL HOST <br>
as we can forward funds, donations into the open collective
and reimburse people+ attribute fees. <br>
<br>
</blockquote>
Sounds good. <br>
<br>
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">- we think it is important it is in
Europe - for dunds and we wonder if it is easy to demand
with a fiscal hosts funds and get them transfered to the
open collective account. <br>
</blockquote>
<br>
<br>
Yes. If we are moving systerserver.town to mur.at then it
would be good to have this funds in Europe as it will be much
easier to transfer funds to pay for donations in mur.at. If we
keep it in digital ocean then it may be better to have the
funds in the US. But this is something to check. <br>
<br>
<blockquote type="cite"> <br>
-name - ? do we refer to systerserver - or do we have
'another name' which can hosts different servers/sysadmins
costs & fees. e.g. SYSADMIN!Unite <br>
It would be great more independent sysadmins who wants to
work on the feminist servers can join. <br>
<br>
</blockquote>
Good question. I do not know. <br>
<br>
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<blockquote type="cite"> <br>
xm <br>
<br>
<br>
On 01/12/2022 19:42, Gaba wrote: <br>
<blockquote type="cite">On 12/1/22 17:01, Gaba wrote: <br>
<blockquote type="cite">Hey! <br>
<br>
Here is the information about open collective that I got
from their documentation. <br>
<br>
To create an account (<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="https://docs.opencollective.com/help/collectives/create-collective"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://docs.opencollective.com/help/collectives/create-collective</a>)
we will need to have individual accounts that manage the
collective page in opencollective.com. We need to make
a decision if to have a fiscal host (pay a fee but no
need for bank account) or go independent (no fee but
need a bank account). <br>
<br>
Two options: <br>
<br>
1. Independent collective: <br>
1. Unlimited access to all features <br>
2. No fees if we hold money in your own bank account
<br>
3. We would need to see how taxes work here. <br>
2. Through a fiscal host: <br>
1. Unlimited access to all features <br>
2. A fiscal host is an organization that welcomes
others to operate <br>
through their structure, so projects can use the
host’s legal <br>
entity and bank account instead of setting up
their own. The <br>
host provides administrative services, oversight,
and support <br>
3. Fees depend on who is the fiscal host. It could
be 10%, 5% or 0% <br>
4. Tax-exempt or charity status <br>
5. Options for fiscal hosts: <br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="https://opencollective.com/search?isHost=true"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://opencollective.com/search?isHost=true</a>
<br>
1. Open Collective Europe hosts 363 collectives
(for example <br>
host lurk.org and mastodon.world) : <br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="https://opencollective.com/europe"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://opencollective.com/europe</a>
<br>
2. Open Collective US hosts 3384 collectives
(mostly open <br>
source projects, for example mastodon): <br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="https://opencollective.com/opensource"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://opencollective.com/opensource</a>
<br>
3. Fiscal hosts for mastodon projects <br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="https://opencollective.com/search?q=mastodon"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://opencollective.com/search?q=mastodon</a>
. Some of this <br>
projects are on their own and some have other
fiscal hosts <br>
like Accountable <br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="https://opencollective.com/the-social-change-nest"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://opencollective.com/the-social-change-nest</a>
<br>
<br>
To pay people: Money contributed to a Collective goes to
the bank account of the fiscal host. When someone wants
to be paid, they submit the expense through the
collective page in the open collective website. After
one of us approve it, the person is reimbursed via
PayPal. "Expenses are visible publicly, so everyone can
see how much money was spent and on what (though private
details like emails, names, and addresses are only
visible to that user and the admins)." <a
class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="https://docs.opencollective.com/help/collectives/collectives"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://docs.opencollective.com/help/collectives/collectives</a>
<br>
<br>
About expenses: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="https://docs.opencollective.com/help/collectives/expenses"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://docs.opencollective.com/help/collectives/expenses</a>
<br>
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</blockquote>
<br>
More resources on running instances <a
class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="https://codeberg.org/fediverse/fediparty/wiki/Collectively-owned-instances#resources-on-running-an-instance"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://codeberg.org/fediverse/fediparty/wiki/Collectively-owned-instances#resources-on-running-an-instance</a><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"> <br>
cheers, <br>
<br>
gaba <br>
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