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<p>hi helen, <br>
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<p>thank you for your feedback and comments. we did indeed talk a
lot about how to describe our identity politics.</p>
<p>i have summed up some additional thoughts (mostly what we also
talked about but some also in addition to that):<br>
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<p>the phrasing "women, lesbians and trans*" pays tribute to a
branch of lesbian theory that makes a constructivist claim about
gender, popularized by monique wittig (afaik). it states that
lesbians are indeed not, or at least different than women
because the social gender of 'women' is defined in relation to
'men' (and lesbian identity would rather be defined in relation
to other lesbians or women). of course many lesbians identify as
women, such as some trans people, which are sometimes also
lesbians :) so it is not three different categories, they are
all intertwined. <br>
</p>
<p>and then there is another, historical argument for the
additional naming of lesbians, which is the importance of their
contribution to the 'women's
movement'.Β i think that the phasing 'women and lesbians' and
later 'women, lesbians and trans*' also has a tradition in early
feminist organizing but i would have to research that... </p>
<p>if we only name the 'women, lesbians and trans*, the 'trans*'
is meant to include non-binary people as they mostly
transitioned away from their assigned sex at birth, even if they
are not binary trans. however that is not true for inter people,
which is not so cool i guess.</p>
<p>so so other possibility is to go with the german acronym FLINTA
which includes 'women, lesbians, inter, non-binary, trans and
agender people'.</p>
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<p>i would wait a week or two to see if other people want to add
something to this discussion before i upload the entry to
alexandria.</p>
<p>cheers,</p>
<p>nate</p>
<p></p>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2/18/25 12:08, Helen Varley Jamieson
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<p>great work π i made some comments & suggestions on the
pad.</p>
<p>h : )<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2/17/25 22:17, adalanerd wrote:<br>
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<p>hi everyone!</p>
<p>we took profit of this session to catch up and chat a bit
with natx and carmela. we took some time to discuss the
different phrasing options to replace the third and fourth
iteration of "women" by a more relevant one, and we come up
with a proposal for updating some bits. <br>
</p>
<p>- <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="https://alexandria.anarchaserver.org/index.php/You_can_check_some_of_their_services_in_this_section#Systerserver"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://alexandria.anarchaserver.org/index.php/You_can_check_some_of_their_services_in_this_section#Systerserver</a></p>
<p>proposal:<br>
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<div aria-live="assertive" id="magicdomid2008"
class="ace-line"><span
class="author-a-z83zlz84zuz90zz68zz81z8z122z4hxz80z225">Systerserver
is one of the earliest known feminist server collectives.
Systerserver was initially set up to get more women
involved in technology. Currently, Systerserver is managed
by women, lesbians and trans* people fighting against the
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="https://blackfeminisms.com/matrix/"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://blackfeminisms.com/matrix/</a>
'matrix of domination']. There are two main aims to the
project: a) creating a space where women, lesbians and
trans* people can become system administrators and
maintain free and open source software b) hosting feminist
infrastructures for technopolitical organization within
our communities and in part for other feminist
initiatives. The server hosts </span><span
class="author-a-z65zz85zz68zz87zz84zz69zad17z86z0cz76zz78zs">[</span><span
class="author-a-z83zlz84zuz90zz68zz81z8z122z4hxz80z225 url"><a
href="https://git.systerserver.net"
rel="noreferrer noopener" class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://git.systerserver.net</a></span><span
class="author-a-z65zz85zz68zz87zz84zz69zad17z86z0cz76zz78zs"> Gitlab]</span><span
class="author-a-z83zlz84zuz90zz68zz81z8z122z4hxz80z225">,
Nextcloud, </span><span
class="author-a-z65zz85zz68zz87zz84zz69zad17z86z0cz76zz78zs">a</span><span
class="author-a-z83zlz84zuz90zz68zz81z8z122z4hxz80z225"> </span><span
class="author-a-z65zz85zz68zz87zz84zz69zad17z86z0cz76zz78zs">[</span><span
class="author-a-z65zz85zz68zz87zz84zz69zad17z86z0cz76zz78zs url"><a
href="https://systerserver.town"
rel="noreferrer noopener" class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://systerserver.town</a></span><span
class="author-a-z65zz85zz68zz87zz84zz69zad17z86z0cz76zz78zs"> </span><span
class="author-a-z83zlz84zuz90zz68zz81z8z122z4hxz80z225">Mastodon
instance</span><span
class="author-a-z65zz85zz68zz87zz84zz69zad17z86z0cz76zz78zs">]</span><span
class="author-a-z83zlz84zuz90zz68zz81z8z122z4hxz80z225">,
</span><span
class="author-a-z65zz85zz68zz87zz84zz69zad17z86z0cz76zz78zs">[</span><span
class="author-a-z65zz85zz68zz87zz84zz69zad17z86z0cz76zz78zs url"><a
href="https://lists.systerserver.net/"
rel="noreferrer noopener" class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://lists.systerserver.net/</a></span><span
class="author-a-z65zz85zz68zz87zz84zz69zad17z86z0cz76zz78zs"> m</span><span
class="author-a-z83zlz84zuz90zz68zz81z8z122z4hxz80z225">ailing
lists</span><span
class="author-a-z65zz85zz68zz87zz84zz69zad17z86z0cz76zz78zs">]</span><span
class="author-a-z83zlz84zuz90zz68zz81z8z122z4hxz80z225">,
a </span><span
class="author-a-z65zz85zz68zz87zz84zz69zad17z86z0cz76zz78zs">[</span><span
class="author-a-z65zz85zz68zz87zz84zz69zad17z86z0cz76zz78zs url"><a
href="https://tube.systerserver.net"
rel="noreferrer noopener" class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://tube.systerserver.net</a></span><span
class="author-a-z65zz85zz68zz87zz84zz69zad17z86z0cz76zz78zs"> feminist
video</span><span
class="author-a-z83zlz84zuz90zz68zz81z8z122z4hxz80z225">
platform </span><span
class="author-a-z65zz85zz68zz87zz84zz69zad17z86z0cz76zz78zs">(</span><span
class="author-a-z83zlz84zuz90zz68zz81z8z122z4hxz80z225">PeerTube</span><span
class="author-a-z65zz85zz68zz87zz84zz69zad17z86z0cz76zz78zs">)]</span><span
class="author-a-z83zlz84zuz90zz68zz81z8z122z4hxz80z225">,
</span><span
class="author-a-z65zz85zz68zz87zz84zz69zad17z86z0cz76zz78zs">[</span><span
class="author-a-z65zz85zz68zz87zz84zz69zad17z86z0cz76zz78zs url"><a
href="https://git.systerserver.net/systerserver/doc-website/-/wikis/home#tools%22%22"
rel="noreferrer noopener" class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://git.systerserver.net/systerserver/doc-website/-/wikis/home#tools%22%22</a></span><span
class="author-a-z65zz85zz68zz87zz84zz69zad17z86z0cz76zz78zs"> technical
documentation]</span><span
class="author-a-z83zlz84zuz90zz68zz81z8z122z4hxz80z225">,
</span><span
class="author-a-z65zz85zz68zz87zz84zz69zad17z86z0cz76zz78zs">[</span><span
class="author-a-z65zz85zz68zz87zz84zz69zad17z86z0cz76zz78zs url"><a
href="https://git.systerserver.net/mara/vpn-zines/-/wikis/docs"
rel="noreferrer noopener" class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://git.systerserver.net/mara/vpn-zines/-/wikis/docs</a></span><span
class="author-a-z65zz85zz68zz87zz84zz69zad17z86z0cz76zz78zs"> </span><span
class="author-a-z83zlz84zuz90zz68zz81z8z122z4hxz80z225">VPN
zines</span><span
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class="author-a-z83zlz84zuz90zz68zz81z8z122z4hxz80z225">
and the </span><span
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class="author-a-z83zlz84zuz90zz68zz81z8z122z4hxz80z225 url"><a
href="https://eclectictechcarnival.org/ETC/about/"
rel="noreferrer noopener" class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://eclectictechcarnival.org/ETC/about/</a></span><span
class="author-a-z83zlz84zuz90zz68zz81z8z122z4hxz80z225">
Eclectic Tech Carnival website</span><span
class="author-a-z65zz85zz68zz87zz84zz69zad17z86z0cz76zz78zs">]</span></div>
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<div aria-live="assertive" class="ace-line">regarding the
practical infos, we noticed an inconsistency between the email
addresses on the wiki (<span
class="author-a-z83zlz84zuz90zz68zz81z8z122z4hxz80z225"><a
class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="mailto:contact@systerserver.net"
moz-do-not-send="true">contact@systerserver.net</a>) </span>and
on systerserver.net (<span
class="author-a-z65zz85zz68zz87zz84zz69zad17z86z0cz76zz78zs"><a
class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="mailto:info@systerserver.net" moz-do-not-send="true">info@systerserver.net</a>).
are they both valid?</span></div>
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class="author-a-z65zz85zz68zz87zz84zz69zad17z86z0cz76zz78zs"><br>
</span></div>
<div aria-live="assertive" class="ace-line"><span
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<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="https://systerserver.net/" moz-do-not-send="true">https://systerserver.net/</a></span></div>
<div aria-live="assertive" class="ace-line"><span
class="author-a-z65zz85zz68zz87zz84zz69zad17z86z0cz76zz78zs"><br>
</span></div>
<div aria-live="assertive" class="ace-line"><span
class="author-a-z65zz85zz68zz87zz84zz69zad17z86z0cz76zz78zs">we
didn't come up with an actual proposal but natx brought up
some various-sized paragraphs to replace or complete the
existing one. you can find this all on the pad: <a
class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="https://eth.leverburns.blue/p/alexandria_update"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://eth.leverburns.blue/p/alexandria_update</a></span></div>
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class="author-a-z65zz85zz68zz87zz84zz69zad17z86z0cz76zz78zs"><br>
</span></div>
<div aria-live="assertive" class="ace-line"><span
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night!<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le 17/02/2025 Γ 20:05, mara a
Γ©critΒ :<br>
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<div dir="auto">Indeed /etc was in 2002, and the syster server
in 2005, I had found the date in the mailing list archives a
while back, when we were writing the federation essay with
nate<br>
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mara</div>
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<div dir="auto">On 17 February 2025 19:05:42 CET, nate
wessalowski <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:wessalow@posteo.de" moz-do-not-send="true"><wessalow@posteo.de></a>
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<pre class="k9mail"><div dir="auto">hi all, we meet here in one hour: <a
href="https://visio.futuretic.fr/systerserveralexandriaupdate"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://visio.futuretic.fr/systerserveralexandriaupdate</a> [sorry, i completely forgot to send a reminder with the date and time, i hope someone shows up]]
On 1/24/25 12:24, Helen Varley Jamieson wrote:
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style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #729fcf; padding-left: 1ex;"><div
dir="auto">great, thanks. let me know after the meeting & i will do a proofreading.
(was systerserver actually founded as early as 2002? that was /etc, i thought systerserver came a bit later ... )
On 24/01/2025 12:03 pm, nats wessax wrote:
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style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #ad7fa8; padding-left: 1ex;"><div
dir="auto">cool, cool. here is the link to what it says now: <a
href="https://alexandria.anarchaserver.org/index.php/You_can_check_some_of_their_services_in_this_section#Systerserver"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://alexandria.anarchaserver.org/index.php/You_can_check_some_of_their_services_in_this_section#Systerserver</a>
On 1/24/25 11:55, Helen Varley Jamieson wrote:
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i would be happy to proofread/check the systerserver text once it's done (english). is there a link to look at the text that's there now?
h : )
On 23/01/2025 4:57 pm, nats wessax wrote:
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style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #fcaf3e; padding-left: 1ex;"><div
dir="auto">looks like monday 17th of febuary is a good time. anybody else wants to join? (i can also add more dates)
nate
On 1/18/25 16:00, nats wessax wrote:
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dir="auto">hi,
i am doing this round call for updating the anarchaserver wiki and it would also be cool to update the systerserver text there:
does anybody want to join me in rewriting the paragraph? then pls click the poll :))
<a
href="https://transitional.anarchaserver.org/date/studs.php?poll=uOdww6HW4zWwpVNB"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://transitional.anarchaserver.org/date/studs.php?poll=uOdww6HW4zWwpVNB</a>
greets!
nate [they/them]
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