[Adminsysters] Mastodon - what do we want and how do we want it

Helen Varley Jamieson helen at creative-catalyst.com
Mon Nov 14 05:24:04 CET 2022 

hi, some thoughts in between below 😁

On 14.11.22 04:25, Anne Roth wrote:
> Hi,
>
> great to see this moving forward.
>
> Am 11.11.22 um 19:12 schrieb Gaba:
>> On 11/11/22 12:20, Helen Varley Jamieson wrote:
>>> i think anna meant to share / discuss between ourselves what we want 
>>> to see happening with systerserver.town, rather than to put that 
>>> into the general guidelines. is that right, anne?
>
> Yes, that was the idea but of course we can eventually merge the two 
> (working on the text on the one hand and having a conversation more 
> generally about what we want systerserver.twon to be like).
>
> Like, how do we move on now? Threre is the new pad with quite a few 
> comments and suggestions for change and the old pad with a lot of good 
> ideas and suggestions. Does it make sense to try and merge or would it 
> be better to stick with one and try to some up with a draft?
i think it makes sense to merge, but we should keep separate discussion 
around the admin/upgrades from the policy/guidelines
>
> I'm fine with both, my thoughts about the new pad were to 'go the easy 
> way' and have something to put up so that we actually have something, 
> but I can also see it would be nice to have something that describes 
> our ideas better. Is anyone up for writing that?
i will have only occasional internet access for the next 10 days so 
probably can't do much. but i think it would be good to aim for a simple 
description of systerserver.town that can go on systerserver.net
>
> How do you feel about a meeting?
difficut for me until i get proper internet ...
>>
>>
>> I understood this too and I think it is important for us to discuss 
>> what we want from that space. I like the approach that Darius Kazemi 
>> have on running their instance [1]. 
>
> I had a look at their website and could you be a bit more specific 
> what it is that appeals to you there?
>
> One thing I see there is 
> https://runyourown.social/#how-to-run-a-small-social-network-site-for-your-friends 
> and I instantly have sympathy for the idea and the feel of that.
>
> He runs a fork of mastodon called hometown
>> [2] that we could look into as it is for smaller instances . In 
>> hometown there is the option of local only posting, meaning only the 
>> people in your instance can discuss on those.
>
> Are you saying you would like to see systerserver.town to be more of a 
> closed small(er) community?
>
> On the one hand I like the idea but it opens up a number of questions: 
> We've been that for a while and my feeling is that it doesn't really 
> 'come off the ground', that it would need to be a little bigger to 
> actually incite conversations between us.
>
> Maybe that'll change now that Mastodon has become so much more 
> attractive recently? But e.g. my impression during THF in summer was 
> that there was some interest but didn't really lead to much 
> interaction there. Which is fine, just an observation.
>
> I'm still a bit torn between wanting a more lively but still smaller 
> community on the one hand and at the same time feeling the need for 
> more visibly feminist spaces in the bigger Mastodon / Fediverse world. 
> Right now I see people searching for a 'feminist home' but not finding 
> them. E.g. here https://fedi.directory/society/ feminism isn't even 
> mentioned as a category. (I'm sure there's better directories, didn't 
> really search and just came across this by chance)

if i understand it right, individual accounts on systerserver.town can 
follow individual accounts on any other instance, and vice versa. in 
recent days i've started following a lot of people on other servers 
(mostly who are on the netbehaviour mailing list) & they are following 
me back. so i have the local timeline which is everyone on 
systerserver.town, where we can have our close discussions, and i have 
the federated timeline that is everyone i'm following (& maybe some 
others as well, i'm not sure ... ). so don't we kind of have both - the 
small community and the wider discussion?

i do agree that it would be good to make feminist spaces more visible in 
general in the fediverse, so it's good to make a somewhat bigger 
presence for systerserver.town, but at the same time i think it's fine 
to keep it relatively small, invitation only for new accounts, since 
there are plenty of instances now where people can create accounts.

if we have a description page on systerserver.net & also list in some 
mastodon directories, we can be a bit more visible; & if interested 
feminists approach us we can invite them if we want to, but we don't 
need to go on a recruitment drive.

>
>>
>> Looking at the pad [3] that Mara shared I like many of the notes 
>> there. I would like this instance to be a safe space for Queer, 
>> feminists, feminist collectives and activists. I would like for us to 
>> have a feminist approach on how we build the space and build it from 
>> our trusted networks.
>
> Very much. We probably should take some more time to talk / write 
> about what this means, no?

agree 😁

h : )

>
> Cheers,
> Anne
>
>
>
>>
>> 0. https://tinysubversions.com/
>>
>> 1. https://friend.camp/about/more
>>
>> 2. https://github.com/hometown-fork/hometown/wiki
>>
>> 3. https://pad.vvvvvvaria.org/systerserver.town-fhm
>>
>>>
>>> the article anne sent is worth reading (reminds me also of my own 
>>> experience during 2020 when suddenly thousands of other people 
>>> became overnight experts in online performance 😂) & i think it is 
>>> good to go with caution, be realistic about what we can do with the 
>>> resources we have, & who we are doing it for (ourselves, first!).
>>>
>>> we could get mired down in endless conversations, for example what 
>>> is "negative political content" indeed!!! the mmore concise our 
>>> guidelines are, the better. and keeping the instance invitation only 
>>> is good.
>>>
>>> h : )
>>>
>>> On 10.11.22 23:42, mara wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> Here the pad we worked for our systerserver.town instance during a 
>>>> workshop with Lurk last spring.
>>>> https://pad.vvvvvvaria.org/systerserver.town-fhm
>>>>
>>>> The questions in the pad help formulating what, for whom and by 
>>>> whom the instance is running.
>>>>
>>>> I don't quite follow all thread here, due to many deadlines I have 
>>>> till mid Nov and some family issues.
>>>>
>>>> Nonetheless wrt:
>>>> > And while we're editing our about page I think we should maybe share
>>>> > what we would like to see happening on systerserver.town.
>>>> I wouldn't go into this direction, feels too restrictive and not 
>>>> really manageable from a modetator's perspective. In general 
>>>> guidelines articulate what a community doesn't tolerate in this 
>>>> instance, e.x sexist, nazis, trolling etc..
>>>>
>>>> ciao, M
>>>>
>>>> On 11/10/22 12:22, Anne Roth wrote:
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> apart from the pad I feel it might be helpful to have a discussion 
>>>>> about the character of the Mastodon instance.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not sure this is something everyone wants to discuss - let me know 
>>>>> whether that should be moved elsewhere.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Right now it feels like half of Twitter is moving over to Mastodon 
>>>>> / the Fediverse and that results in a trillion of debates about 
>>>>> what is different, what's similar, what is wanted and what isn't.
>>>>>
>>>>> There were so many debates about Content Warnings that people 
>>>>> start to demand CW for those debates.
>>>>>
>>>>> (I'm currently entangled in a debate whether there should be such 
>>>>> warnings, or notices, for all political content, or else for 
>>>>> 'negative politics' and that entails it's own debate: What is 
>>>>> negative political content?)
>>>>>
>>>>> I admit that I hadn't realized how different the concept of the 
>>>>> local timeline is, and just came across this text whic I found 
>>>>> helpful https://www.hughrundle.net/home-invasion/
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't share all of the views but it's definitely a good 
>>>>> introduction to the current dynamics, I find.
>>>>>
>>>>> And while we're editing our about page I think we should maybe 
>>>>> share what we would like to see happening on systerserver.town.
>>>>>
>>>>> More something of a safe space with a local timeline that 
>>>>> resembles a community space with some reservation about the rest 
>>>>> of the world out there, or rather like a place for our activism, 
>>>>> ok to have controversial debates, mobilising and informing about 
>>>>> what we fight against?
>>>>>
>>>>> Can we have both and how? I tend to lean towards the latter, I 
>>>>> don't believe in defining politics apart from something else, 
>>>>> everything is politics to me and I like controversies and 
>>>>> discussion. I also have the need for safe spaces some times and 
>>>>> room to withdraw from the world - it's not easy to draw the line 
>>>>> but I'm thinking it's a good conversation to have before we open 
>>>>> up the instance a little bit. I haven't moved my 'big account' to 
>>>>> systerserver.town (yet) because it'll bring a lot of people 
>>>>> debating stuff and my feeling is I'd like to understand better 
>>>>> what type of atmosphere we'd like to see there.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thoughts? Or should we actually try and find the time for a call 
>>>>> about this?
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Anne
>>>
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