[Adminsysters] request for insights and opinions about collective digital infrastructure
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vo.ezn at leverburns.blue
Wed Aug 2 00:17:56 CEST 2023
hi ]]
my belated notes here:
> douwe: You say you don’t want to use some pronouns, but can you suggest which one would be better? Otherwise I might make a decision that also does not fit…> donna: Is it OK to call the machines "she". But I get that it would be better to call the people they or them. Also because we are a community. Foir me it's not about being identified as non-binary but I like the term, it being collective.
____ i prefer to refer to jean and adele also as 'it/they' rather than she/her exclusively, but i left space for more input there ]]
> donna: it's mentioned we want to make a book but I think it's a zine right?
____ we were thinking more towards a feminist sysadmin handbook
> douwe: if you have any pictures of your infrastructure, one of the two servers preferably, that would be awesome.
Also, if you can, please share the license under which we can use them.
____ we do have some images on the website https://systerserver.net/ , i can't speak to the license side of it though -- maybe others can?
thank you! ]]
vims,
_ezn
_____ EOM
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------- Original Message -------
On Sunday, July 30th, 2023 at 4:16 PM, Douwe <douwe at dosch.nl> wrote:
> Thnx for all the feedback.
>
> Late request: if you have any pictures of your infrastructure, one of the two servers preferably, that would be awesome.
> Also, if you can, please share the license under which we can use them.
>
> Thnx!
>
> Douwe
> On 30 Jul 2023, 10:04 +0200, Donna <donna at genderchangers.org>, wrote:
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> > Hi Douwe, Mika,
> >
> > Er is een zin die niet lekker loopt, zit twee het woord "ondertussen" in...
> >
> > Mika, it's mentioned we want to make a book but I think it's a zine right?
> >
> > En over de laatste zin, het eindigd negatief "Als je daar geen interesse
> > in hebt, dan moet je geen collectief beginnen." Ik kan me niet
> > herinneren dat ik dat zei, anyways, als het op een positieve noot kan
> > sluiten, liever. Die ene laatste zin vind ik mooi als slot.
> >
> > Oh en misschien in "niet boos op elkaar" in weinig boos op elkaar, want
> > is wel heel af en toe drama. Al is het te verwaarlozen :).
> >
> > Donna
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> > On 30/07/2023 08:22, Douwe wrote:
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> > > Hey Ezn,
> > >
> > > Thnx for the extra effort, I’ll try to incorporate your notes in the
> > > final text.
> > >
> > > One thing is just that there is some hanging ambiguity… You say you
> > > don’t want to use some pronouns, but can you suggest which one would be
> > > better?
> > > Otherwise I might make a decision that also does not fit…
> > >
> > > Thank you for this.
> > >
> > > And Donna, you didn’t have any other comments?
> > >
> > > Thnx!
> > > Douwe
> > > On 25 Jul 2023, 14:44 +0200, ¬ ` <vo.ezn at leverburns.blue>, wrote:
> > >
> > > > hi Douwe && Donna,
> > > >
> > > > thank you for the lovely conversation and writing ]]
> > > >
> > > > i've put it on the pad and left some notes
> > > > https://eth.leverburns.blue/p/ama-systerserver
> > > > <https://eth.leverburns.blue/p/ama-systerserver>
> > > >
> > > > [original txt: https://doc.pondr.nl/s/BFGs7o0Hw#
> > > > <https://doc.pondr.nl/s/BFGs7o0Hw#>]
> > > >
> > > > i had to translate it first, so certain details could have been lost
> > > > on the way
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > vims,
> > > > _ezn
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> > > >
> > > > _____ EOM
> > > > ¬` vo ezn <http://ezn.leverburns.blue/>
> > > >
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> > > > ------- Original Message -------
> > > > On Wednesday, July 19th, 2023 at 9:21 PM, Douwe <douwe at dosch.nl> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Dear Mika and Donna,
> > > > >
> > > > > Here is the first draft of our conversation. You can put any comments
> > > > > your might have in between brackets; this way I’ll easily see them.
> > > > > https://doc.pondr.nl/s/BFGs7o0Hw# <https://doc.pondr.nl/s/BFGs7o0Hw#>
> > > > >
> > > > > I’ll leave it at your discretion if you want the other members of the
> > > > > systerserver to read the text before publication, but feel free to
> > > > > share if you would want to.
> > > > >
> > > > > Looking forward to your feedback.
> > > > >
> > > > > Best
> > > > > Douwe
> > > > > On 12 Jul 2023 at 22:17 +0200, ¬ ` <vo.ezn at leverburns.blue>, wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > hi,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > thank you both for the mellow meetup ]]
> > > > > > curious abt the txt ~
> > > > > >
> > > > > > vims,
> > > > > > _mika
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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> > > > > > _____ EOM
> > > > > > ¬` vo ezn <http://ezn.leverburns.blue/>
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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> > > > > > ------- Original Message -------
> > > > > > On Monday, July 10th, 2023 at 9:16 AM, Douwe <douwe at dosch.nl> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hey you both,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I didn’t have email with me yesterday, only see your messages now.
> > > > > > > Thank you for the conversation and sharing your dreams, knowledge
> > > > > > > and history; looking forward to meet again one day!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > > > Douwe
> > > > > > > On 9 Jul 2023 at 18:29 +0200, ¬ ` <vo.ezn at leverburns.blue>, wrote:
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> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > i arrived at het geone veld]]
> > > > > > > > where should we meet?
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> > > > > > > > On Sun, Jul 9, 2023 at 5:35 PM, ¬ ` <vo.ezn at leverburns.blue
> > > > > > > > <mailto:On%20Sun,%20Jul%209,%202023%20at%205:35%20PM,%20%C2%AC%20`%20%3C%3Ca%20href=>> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > im waiting for a tram now and it will take me about 50 minutes to
> > > > > > > > > get to tbd
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> > > > > > > > > On Sun, Jul 9, 2023 at 5:31 PM, Donna <donna at genderchangers.org
> > > > > > > > > <mailto:On%20Sun,%20Jul%209,%202023%20at%205:31%20PM,%20Donna%20%3C%3Ca%20href=>> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Am driving to you. A little late but let me know what you decide
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > 9 Jul 2023 17:15:47 ¬ ` <vo.ezn at leverburns.blue>:
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> > > > > > > > > > > hi i was about to go outside and it started pouring
> > > > > > > > > > > could you please let me know if you are already at TBD?
> > > > > > > > > > > would it be be alright if i joined later as i wait for the
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > rain to calm down?
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> > > > > > > > > > > _mika
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> > > > > > > > > > > ------- Original Message -------
> > > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, July 9th, 2023 at 2:51 PM, ¬ `
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> > > > > > > > > > <vo.ezn at leverburns.blue> wrote:
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> > > > > > > > > > > > hi Donna && Douwe,
> > > > > > > > > > >
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> > > > > > > > > > > > i see thunderstorm is approaching.
> > > > > > > > > > > > shall we stick with TBD or meet somewhere on the other side
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> > > > > > > > > > of the kanaal?
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> > > > > > > > > > > > ------- Original Message -------
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, July 5th, 2023 at 12:36 PM, bolwerK
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > info at ooooo.be wrote:
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > so hey - go ahead without me - won't be in amsterdam this time.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > enjoy tbd --- soon, xm
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > On 04/07/2023 20:56, Douwe wrote:
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I can be there at 18 on Sunday
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > —-
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Verstuurd van een klein scherm. Sorry voor bondigheid en
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 4 Jul 2023, at 16:03, ¬ ` vo.ezn at leverburns.blue wrote:
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that time works for me too
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