[Adminsysters] about fiscal hosts - open collective - POLL
Helen Varley Jamieson
helen at creative-catalyst.com
Tue Jan 3 23:58:53 CET 2023
happy new year everyone 😁
i think it's a good idea to try opencollective, i'm curious to test it out.
& i apologise again for not being able to follow all the other emails &
not yet contributing to the etherpad for systertown - everything's just
been too busy & i still don't have my work space set up properly so it's
not easy to get focussed work time ... things are piling up around me! i
still do intend to look at it ...
wishing you all a peaceful and productive 2023!
h : )
On 02.01.23 23:52, bolwerK wrote:
> Here we are 2023 **!
> Whises and prosperities/
>
> We are in favour to open an account in Europe and be an admin.
>
> Here is a poll to understand who also supports the idea: [fill in
> before 31/01/2023 ]
> https://transitional.anarchaserver.org/date/studs.php?poll=DNCtObLFLgOISLjF
> <https://transitional.anarchaserver.org/date/studs.php?poll=DNCtObLFLgOISLjF>
> Indicate in the comments if you wanna be an admin.
>
> We also still have 550 euro on our personal account which should be
> allocated to systerserver's sysadmin/infrastructure
> The easiest would be that we buy 2 harddrives for 'jean' machine,
> contribute to digital ocean in the meanwhile (Systertown) and
> transfer the rest of the money to the Opencollective account for other
> costs - In Europe - we are having.
>
> toedeloe,
> xm
>
> On 06/12/2022 02:01, Gaba wrote:
>> In the last meeting we discuss open collective and I committed to
>> read about the difference on fiscal hosts and to send information to
>> the list.
>>
>> There is information in this page about the difference of hosts:
>> https://docs.opencollective.com/help/fiscal-hosts/fiscal-hosts
>>
>> There is not a specific difference between US and European fiscal
>> host. The difference is by fiscal host in general.
>>
>> For the open collective fiscal host in Europe
>> (https://opencollective.com/europe and
>> https://docs.opencollective.com/oceurope/)
>>
>> - fee is around 6%
>> - "We are only able to host EU-based projects and fund EU-based
>> activity, not overseas expenses." <-- this may mean they can not pay
>> digital ocean for example.
>> - "Your project's mission must fit with the Association's mission
>> overall."
>>
>> Their requirements are
>> Activities must align with our mission & impact areas ->> it may fit
>> in "Develop tools to improve civic participation within cities or
>> communities: Sponsor sponsors projects aimed at fostering civic
>> participation, democratic debate and rebuilding community ties and
>> strengths."
>> Activities must be charitable, to benefit and open to the public
>> Collective must have no separate legal existence/entity from OC Europe
>> Collective must have a *minimum*of two admins/team members. Admins
>> must use their real name.
>> https://docs.opencollective.com/oceurope/getting-started/eligibility
>>
>>
>> On 12/3/22 15:23, Gaba wrote:
>>> On 12/3/22 04:40, bolwerK wrote:
>>>> hi great
>>>> to have an overview
>>>> let's do it :
>>>>
>>>> - we would opt for /2/ FISCAL HOST
>>>> as we can forward funds, donations into the open collective and
>>>> reimburse people+ attribute fees.
>>>>
>>> Sounds good.
>>>
>>>
>>>> - we think it is important it is in Europe - for dunds and we
>>>> wonder if it is easy to demand with a fiscal hosts funds and get
>>>> them transfered to the open collective account.
>>>
>>>
>>> Yes. If we are moving systerserver.town to mur.at then it would be
>>> good to have this funds in Europe as it will be much easier to
>>> transfer funds to pay for donations in mur.at. If we keep it in
>>> digital ocean then it may be better to have the funds in the US. But
>>> this is something to check.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> -name - ? do we refer to systerserver - or do we have 'another
>>>> name' which can hosts different servers/sysadmins costs & fees.
>>>> e.g. SYSADMIN!Unite
>>>> It would be great more independent sysadmins who wants to work on
>>>> the feminist servers can join.
>>>>
>>> Good question. I do not know.
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> xm
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 01/12/2022 19:42, Gaba wrote:
>>>>> On 12/1/22 17:01, Gaba wrote:
>>>>>> Hey!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here is the information about open collective that I got from
>>>>>> their documentation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To create an account
>>>>>> (https://docs.opencollective.com/help/collectives/create-collective)
>>>>>> we will need to have individual accounts that manage the
>>>>>> collective page in opencollective.com. We need to make a decision
>>>>>> if to have a fiscal host (pay a fee but no need for bank account)
>>>>>> or go independent (no fee but need a bank account).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Two options:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1. Independent collective:
>>>>>> 1. Unlimited access to all features
>>>>>> 2. No fees if we hold money in your own bank account
>>>>>> 3. We would need to see how taxes work here.
>>>>>> 2. Through a fiscal host:
>>>>>> 1. Unlimited access to all features
>>>>>> 2. A fiscal host is an organization that welcomes others to
>>>>>> operate
>>>>>> through their structure, so projects can use the host’s legal
>>>>>> entity and bank account instead of setting up their own. The
>>>>>> host provides administrative services, oversight, and support
>>>>>> 3. Fees depend on who is the fiscal host. It could be 10%, 5%
>>>>>> or 0%
>>>>>> 4. Tax-exempt or charity status
>>>>>> 5. Options for fiscal hosts:
>>>>>> https://opencollective.com/search?isHost=true
>>>>>> 1. Open Collective Europe hosts 363 collectives (for example
>>>>>> host lurk.org and mastodon.world) :
>>>>>> https://opencollective.com/europe
>>>>>> 2. Open Collective US hosts 3384 collectives (mostly open
>>>>>> source projects, for example mastodon):
>>>>>> https://opencollective.com/opensource
>>>>>> 3. Fiscal hosts for mastodon projects
>>>>>> https://opencollective.com/search?q=mastodon . Some of this
>>>>>> projects are on their own and some have other fiscal
>>>>>> hosts
>>>>>> like Accountable
>>>>>> https://opencollective.com/the-social-change-nest
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To pay people: Money contributed to a Collective goes to the bank
>>>>>> account of the fiscal host. When someone wants to be paid, they
>>>>>> submit the expense through the collective page in the open
>>>>>> collective website. After one of us approve it, the person is
>>>>>> reimbursed via PayPal. "Expenses are visible publicly, so
>>>>>> everyone can see how much money was spent and on what (though
>>>>>> private details like emails, names, and addresses are only
>>>>>> visible to that user and the admins)."
>>>>>> https://docs.opencollective.com/help/collectives/collectives
>>>>>>
>>>>>> About expenses:
>>>>>> https://docs.opencollective.com/help/collectives/expenses
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> More resources on running instances
>>>>> https://codeberg.org/fediverse/fediparty/wiki/Collectively-owned-instances#resources-on-running-an-instance
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> cheers,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> gaba
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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