[Adminsysters] AMRO - becoming unreadable - meetup

Fri Jan 16 10:30:10 CET 2026

Hi,

Thanks to all who put this together, it's great and I hope to meet at 
AMRO soon :)

Since my name is now on the list below, I'll make minor suggestions here 
and will be available to discuss further about the workshop when it's 
accepted.

I like the changes suggested by Helen, and would like to add to the 
answer about radical openness : it's about "opening up the hardware and 
software and **keeping them open** by sharing the knowledge on how stuff 
works ..." and "challenge the closed box"

I put this one and the next answer in the doc, lines 161 and 169.

Best wishes,

Selena

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Selena Savic
http://pravi.me

On 16/01/2026 09:22, Helen Varley Jamieson wrote:
>
> i made some more changes & not sure how well they will show up in the 
> document so listing here:
>
> line 47: "Systerserver is a network of ... " (rather than "offers 
> services to its network ... " to avoid the service provider suggestion)
>
> lines 143-5 - i've put in what i suggest, & we should add if people 
> should bring their laptop.
>
> line 158-60 - i haven't added here, but think we should put in 
> something along the lines of my comment below.
>
> lines 185-6 - should we add here where we are coming from? i'd be 
> travelling from munich.
>
> might be good to add some additional information in that final 
> section? something about our community's interconnection with many 
> different groups & working to share FOSS skills over a long period of 
> time??
>
> sorry i can't do more on this now, i did a lot of driving today & then 
> had an amazing time watching huge flocks of shorebirds doing their 
> evening murmurations & settling down - i'm at this place: 
> https://shorebirds.org.nz/ - & need to sleep now 🙂
>
> good luck with getting the proposal submitted & fingers crossed it's 
> accepted!
>
> h : )
>
> On 1/16/26 10:19, Helen Varley Jamieson wrote:
>>
>> it looks great. a couple of comments:
>>
>> in the question about whether specific basic skills are required - it 
>> could be worded the other way around: "Some prior technical knowledge 
>> will be helpful, but the discussion will still be informative for 
>> Linux/network beginners" - otherwise it sounds a bit off-putting. & 
>> should participants bring a laptop? will it be a hands-on workshop or 
>> more of a presentation?
>>
>> after that, we need to answer the question "What does "radically 
>> open" mean to you?" - i think it's very important to answer this, as 
>> that's the heart of the festival. for example, radically open for us 
>> means literally opening up the hardware & software & getting into the 
>> guts of it; it means knowing how stuff works, not just accepting a 
>> closed box.
>>
>> & "How do you F/LOSS?" - we need to answer how we communicate our 
>> approach to open source - e.g. through our long-standing community, 
>> shared learning experiences, working together on the servers and 
>> tools/platforms, mailing lists & workshops & being open to new people 
>> coming in, giving workshops, presentations, book chapters, etc.
>>
>> i'm travelling at the moment but will try to look again later this 
>> evening (i'm in nz so that's friday morning in europe)
>>
>> h : )
>>
>> On 1/16/26 05:09, adalanerd wrote:
>>>
>>> ok, i think i'm done on my side :) Is there any opposition to send 
>>> the proposal as systerserver? Or should I send it only in my own 
>>> name only?
>>>
>>> I also noted the following group members:
>>> - ooooo
>>> - mara
>>> - Helen
>>> - Selena
>>>
>>> are you all OK to be referenced as such? I guess it's still possible 
>>> to edit the list afterwards.
>>>
>>> deadline is tomorrow around 16:00 CET.
>>>
>>> Le 13/01/2026 à 10:29, adalanerd a écrit :
>>>>
>>>> hey,
>>>>
>>>> yes as i see from the notes, a participation to the event isn't as 
>>>> consensual as i thought. But i'm still up to propose the workshop.
>>>>
>>>> about today's meeting, i will actually not be available today... 
>>>> but i did prepare a draft application on the pad 
>>>> <https://pad.public.cat/sEaH4tR5Q5i1aK6fpWm6hw?edit> so if some of 
>>>> you are available, maybe you can meet without me to read, discuss 
>>>> it? And if you feel like engaging into its preparation, then we can 
>>>> either work by email or catch up another day.
>>>>
>>>> I will spend my thursday at my desk to work on such things so we 
>>>> can maybe arrange a call in the afternoon?
>>>>
>>>> :*
>>>>
>>>> Le 09/01/2026 à 18:11, ooooo a écrit :
>>>>> hi ada, it was  discussed in meeting a bit AMRO
>>>>> see notes meeting
>>>>> we note you propose a meeting for propssal 14th - tuesday - 16:00
>>>>> which channel?
>>>>> xm
>>>>>
>>>>> On 1/4/26 23:33, adalanerd wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> hi all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> thank you for enthusiastic replies! I've never been to AMRO yet 
>>>>>> so I'd be even more glad to meet you all there.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Since I'm very bad at following up date polls in general, I'd 
>>>>>> rather propose this:
>>>>>> - I started filling and copypasting the form on a pad 
>>>>>> <https://pad.public.cat/sEaH4tR5Q5i1aK6fpWm6hw#> with basic values;
>>>>>> - we can arrange a meeting by the end of week (let's say tuesday 
>>>>>> 16:00 CET unless we can arrange a more consensual timeslot) to go 
>>>>>> deeper into our intentions and the format we want to propose;
>>>>>> - then by Jan 14th, we can review the application on the pad so I 
>>>>>> can send it before the deadline (Jan 16th, 16:26 CET).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Any other suggestion?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Le 04/01/2026 à 13:32, Selena Savic a écrit :
>>>>>>> AMRO is really great and it would be wonderful to have this 
>>>>>>> workshop there. I would also like to go this year and plan to 
>>>>>>> propose something with a friend from Vienna. I would love to 
>>>>>>> join this workshop.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Kisses,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Selena
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Selena Savic
>>>>>>> http://pravi.me
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 03/01/2026 21:58, Helen Varley Jamieson wrote:
>>>>>>>> this is a great festival & i would love to be there again - i'm 
>>>>>>>> thinking about proposing something with UpStage but haven't had 
>>>>>>>> a chance to think about it yet. i don't know anything about vpn 
>>>>>>>> tunnelling but if i'm there & there is anything systerserver 
>>>>>>>> happening then i would of course join 🙂
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 1/2/26 11:51, adalanerd wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Hi everyone and happy new year!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Does anyone plan to apply to AMRO's CFP, "becoming 
>>>>>>>>> unreadable"? 
>>>>>>>>> https://radical-openness.org/en/amro26-call-participation
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I think we should propose a feminist server workshop there!
>>>>>>>>> My suggestion is to propose a session on community VPN 
>>>>>>>>> tunnelling because it'd fit the topic quite well IMO. And it'd 
>>>>>>>>> also be a nice occasion to extend the existing networks and 
>>>>>>>>> improving docs.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> But I guess there are many other options, no?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> kisses,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ada
>>>>>>>>>
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